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#1 TiM

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 03:47 PM

Well, my license for this forum was ending earlier this year, so I've paid for another year of awesome vBulletin updates. ^_^

That being said, there's a new version of vBulletin on the block...

vBulletin version 4!!

Erm... now from what I gather, vBulletin 4 has been totally re-engineered from the ground up. While vBulletin 3 was like a nice transition between Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 styles, I think vBulletin 4 has been re-engineered for Web 2.0 exclusively (ie more divs, less tables. Rounded edges etc XD).

To that end, I'm expecting that if I try and upgrade the UberGames forum to v4 now, the forum skin is going to break, and all of the lovely code hooks I wrote are going to explode. ;_;

Er.... so that being said. I do very much want to upgrade to vBulletin 4, but it'll probably mean a complete and total overhaul of the forum.

So... I'm going to start looking at upgrading the forum locally on my staging server, and maybe designing a new skin for it while I'm at it. I'm also hoping I can preserve as many of these plugins and custom features as well.

But in any case... is there anything people here would like to see changed if/when we were to migrate to vB 4?

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 07:50 PM

Just a bit of a heads up, the template files are very, very different from vBulletin 3. ;)

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#3 Apprentice

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 08:17 AM

As long as it works with IE6, I'm happy with it . . .

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:24 AM

Apprentice get Firefox 3
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#5 Alex H

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 02:35 PM

Apprentice get Firefox 3


Win!

Also this brings me to... in v£ sorry... vB (terrible I know XD) the quotes buttons have to right clicked, left clicked, double left clicked and left for 30 seconds before they do anything, and even then most of the time it just takes you to a reply screen without the quote (vB4.0.0.2@3rd Fleet). I hate vB (understandably :P). Get SMS, it's uber :)

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#6 Lannister

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 03:14 PM

Also this brings me to... in v£ sorry... vB (terrible I know XD) the quotes buttons have to right clicked, left clicked, double left clicked and left for 30 seconds before they do anything, and even then most of the time it just takes you to a reply screen without the quote (vB4.0.0.2@3rd Fleet). I hate vB (understandably :P). Get SMS, it's uber :)


Try clearing your browser cache and any cookies you have. I'm using Firefox 3 as well and have not experienced this on any of the vB forums I visit.

#7 TiM

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 04:08 PM

Just a bit of a heads up, the template files are very, very different from vBulletin 3. ;)


Ah... okay. Yeaah pretty much confirmed then. I'll have to redo the whole thing from scratch. :$

This might be a good thing. I was beginning to think this fourms interface was pretty Web 1.0 at this point. XD

As long as it works with IE6, I'm happy with it . . .


Uh... for realz?? :o

Why would anyone with any sort of tech savvy choose to be using IE6 still? O_O

#8 Alex H

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 06:53 PM

Because IE 7.5+ builds on IE4 engine and most Web2.0 features don't actually work as they should (go to http://hosted.3rdfleet.com/storp and try access the paad (which came from an unkown source :) in Firefox and IE7/8)

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#9 Apprentice

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 08:29 PM

Apprentice get Firefox 3

If you pay my employer for a new laptop, otherwise: No! :P [/MRJ]

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Uh... for realz?? :o

Why would anyone with any sort of tech savvy choose to be using IE6 still? O_O

Two words: system resources.

If it was up to me, I'd still be using IE5. As of version 6 and above, the amount of system resources it takes seems to have doubled per released version. Now for a multi-core system, it doesn't really show but on a single-core system, it just takes forever to boot, let alone to start the darn sucker . . .

#10 TiM

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 04:41 PM

Wow... that's a new one. I'd never heard of people sticking to IE6 because of the hardware requirements....

Erm, have you tried Google Chrome at all?

#11 Apprentice

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:15 PM

Wow... that's a new one. I'd never heard of people sticking to IE6 because of the hardware requirements....

Erm, have you tried Google Chrome at all?

I'm not allowed to install any browsers other then IE on my company laptop and I don't feel like having a dozen or so installed browsers on my own laptops . . .

#12 Scooter

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 12:47 AM

Ehm, newer versions of Internet Explorer fix a variety of performance issues. They should be faster, not slower.

#13 Apprentice

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 08:30 AM

Ehm, newer versions of Internet Explorer fix a variety of performance issues. They should be faster, not slower.

Not my experience . . .

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 09:10 AM

Yeah same experience here. I actually found IE7 Beta 2 to be more stable than the released version. In that it did not crash once, IE7 crashed 5 times the first time I started it up and hogged all my resources meaning MS Word (I was using 2000 at the time) took 3 minutes to load.

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#15 TiM

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 02:01 PM

Well.... I installed a copy of vB 4 on my staging server and had a look.

Holy cripes is it different compared to v3!! :$
It looks really nice though. It has a really clean Web 2.0 style interface now, and I was totally blown away by the fact they weren't using <table> tags at all (as far as I saw).

But yeah totally without a doubt, I'd need to totally scrap everything I made for v3 and start from scratch. ;_;

This might be an awesome time to do some spring cleaning... clean out/consolidate the forums that don't get used much, and definitely design a nicer looking skin.

Ugh... I can't make any promises with IE6 though. IE6's respect for the HTML/CSS standards is flakey at best. :skeptical:

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 06:18 PM

IE6 is dead. It is official http://ie6funeral.com/ and its been over a month now.

oh and if you can't install programs what about portable programs such as Firefox and chrome http://portableapps.com/apps/internet they just run off a pen drive without causing any changes to the machine they are run on

#17 TiM

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 03:27 PM

Yeah that's true. Google officially switched off support for it.

I don't think it'll be truly dead until everyone is forced to stop using Windows XP (of which IE6 is the default browser).

In my previous job, of the 2 million hits the site we maintained received per month, some obscene number of that (something like 40%) was IE6. With a number like that, we absolutely had to ensure the site functioned in IE6 just as well as the other ones.

This of course meant doing a LOT of very unsavoury, unclean things, like purposefully breaking JavaScript and CSS code (forking it whereever possible), converting 32-bit PNG files to Flash files and other such things.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 11:25 AM

vB4 wont work with Internet Explorer 6, that has been announced from Jelsoft.

But you did a good choice. vB 4 is powerful, and if you get to know it better it is very easy to maintain. The skinning is awful at first but you will get used to it. Also many Mods are already supported by vB4.

Just in case you need any help let me know, I ve gathered alot of experience with vB4 in the last 4 month... :)

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 02:51 PM

I still don't like vB4 though :P
SMF is still the better option in my opinion, since a) it's free (and RPG-X doesn't exactly make money to pay for a v£ licence - don't change this ;)) SMF has a much nicer admin panel and has a lot more end user functionality when it comes to testing themes and creating them. B) SMF doesn't lag, v£ does. c) SMF can be viewed on all mobile internet devices without sending over images meaning its cheaper for them... also in v£ there is a mobile version but it is read only and for vB4 costs extra!
d) v£ are doing what others do free and offer 'better protection from spam bots' and even then don't do it right. e) as soon as v£ release a new version (i.e. from 3 to 4) they sell the security code to the highest bidder on the hacking market meaning they make money from killing their own product and then force users to pay for an upgrade at the fear of being hacked.

There's probably more :P Give me some bad points about SMF and I'll take it on board, but still - "it's free therefore it sucks" is not a valid argument :)

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 07:58 PM

I still don't like vB4 though :P
SMF is still the better option in my opinion, since a) it's free (and RPG-X doesn't exactly make money to pay for a v£ licence - don't change this ;)


Fair enough.

SMF has a much nicer admin panel and has a lot more end user functionality when it comes to testing themes and creating them.


I find that there is quite a bit of functionality in vBulletin's ACP. It can be overwhelming at first, but once you get to know the ACP, there's a lot of options. I found SMF clumsy when it came to usergroups and forum permissions.

B) SMF doesn't lag, v£ does.


vBulletin is a powerful piece of software that requires a lot of resources to run. I've never found it to be that much slower than any other forums solution, but I know as a webmaster that it sucks bandwidth and CPU power.

c) SMF can be viewed on all mobile internet devices without sending over images meaning its cheaper for them... also in v£ there is a mobile version but it is read only and for vB4 costs extra!


Costs extra? As far as I know, the archive feature is standard on vBulletin 4. Furthermore, webmasters can develop mobile friendly skins for vBulletin forum. There's a few mods that use vBulletin's very robust and modular plugin system that will auto-detect the device a user is connecting with and load the appropriate skin. For example, visiting http://forum.ufplanets.com/ on a mobile device will automatically load http://m.ufplanets.com/ (We haven't had the time to make a nice looking page without images, so we removed the large background and some other bandwidth hogging features).

d) v£ are doing what others do free and offer 'better protection from spam bots' and even then don't do it right.


I beg to differ. I haven't had any issues with spam bots on vBulletin; we've employed the use of one the stock features which allows us to ask the user a unique question when registering instead of using CAPTCHA. There's reasons why many groups and companies purchase vBulletin as their forum solution.

e) as soon as v£ release a new version (i.e. from 3 to 4) they sell the security code to the highest bidder on the hacking market meaning they make money from killing their own product and then force users to pay for an upgrade at the fear of being hacked.


Source? These are shady business practices that I doubt a reputable company would employ.

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