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#21 Alex H

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 03:24 PM

Yeah the hovertank... shame I just spent all my remaining points on ME1 DLC :P
I thought it was meant to be released alongside the crashsite DLC

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#22 Telex Ferra

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 06:26 PM

I like the game, but Bioware can't be assed to actually release the whole game at once. Instead, they strip content out of it and then offer it to you as premium DLC.

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 08:13 PM

Yeah the hovertank... shame I just spent all my remaining points on ME1 DLC :P
I thought it was meant to be released alongside the crashsite DLC


The Firewalker pack will be free to Cerberus Network members. It's "Kasumi's Stolen Memory," which includes a new squad member and ninety minutes of content that will come with a price tag.

I like the game, but Bioware can't be assed to actually release the whole game at once. Instead, they strip content out of it and then offer it to you as premium DLC.


Aside from the fact all current (plus the aforementioned Firewalker) Mass Effect 2 DLC has actually been free;

I do not understand where people get the assumption from that DLC has been removed from games purely to charge a price for it. It has been general practice for years to produce full price expansion packs for successful titles, DLC is the evolution of this.

A game on it's own can provide you with 20-80 hours of gameplay, but an expansion pack, maybe between 5-20 hours of gameplay. Yet the price tag carried by an expansion pack is on average only £5 cheaper than the original game and even then, you might only be interested in one or two things within said pack.

DLC is not content removed from the game, but rather content that would otherwise be contained within an expansion - available in individual packages so that you only have to pay for the content you actually want or will use. Which also means that you end up paying less than you would for an expansion, because the price isn't needing to take a retailers commission into account - or the cost of packaging.

Would you rather pay £35 for an expansion containing ten hours worth of content, only three hours of which you will actually play. Or would you rather pay £4.95 for those three hours on their own?

#24 Alex H

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 08:33 PM

Telex would rather pay in $ instead of £ since things are cheaper for her... damn yanks :P

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#25 Telex Ferra

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 10:15 PM

Actually Hocking, it's $15 to access that DLC. You think it's free because you got it with the game, but to some people, each expansion has cost about 3 dollars, that's including the little tiny guns.

Those guns and that Cerberus armor could have been part of the original game, but instead they removed it and offered it as DLC.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 12:02 AM

Well, it is EA.
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#27 Ryan Murray

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 01:37 AM

Anyone who bought the game new gets the Cerberus network content for free. If you bought the game used, why would EA give you content for free? They get no money from used game sales. I think giving people who buy the game new free stuff, is a perfectly legitimate way to encourage new game sales.
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#28 Lannister

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 07:23 PM

Those guns and that Cerberus armor could have been part of the original game, but instead they removed it and offered it as DLC.


DLC is not content removed from the game, but rather content that would otherwise be contained within an expansion - available in individual packages so that you only have to pay for the content you actually want or will use. Which also means that you end up paying less than you would for an expansion, because the price isn't needing to take a retailers commission into account - or the cost of packaging.

Would you rather pay £35 for an expansion containing ten hours worth of content, only three hours of which you will actually play. Or would you rather pay £4.95 for those three hours on their own?


What I didn't mention there, is that the core development team and the guys working on the DLC are completely different people. The DLC will never have been near the core game until it was finished and ready for release.

Anyone who bought the game new gets the Cerberus network content for free. If you bought the game used, why would EA give you content for free? They get no money from used game sales. I think giving people who buy the game new free stuff, is a perfectly legitimate way to encourage new game sales.


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#29 Telex Ferra

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 07:28 PM

I don't think they deserve to make more money when I give my game to someone.

The amount of effort and money they put in creating those two discs (two discs per one game) doesn't change if I give it to someone else. Why should they get $15 more dollars off of it?

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 08:03 PM

Just be happy for those 2 disks you only had to pay the same as anyother single disk game.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 08:13 PM

I don't think they deserve to make more money when I give my game to someone.

The amount of effort and money they put in creating those two discs (two discs per one game) doesn't change if I give it to someone else. Why should they get $15 more dollars off of it?


If you don't think they deserve money when you give the game to someone else, than don't buy the content :D. The extra content does not in anyway prevent you from giving your game to someone else. However, they make no money when you give the game to someone else. It costs them money to make the game, and it costs them money to make the extra content. So the extra content is for paying customers, whether that be through buying the game new, or buying the content. Bioware and EA spent money and time making the game and content. They deserve to be paid for their investment and labour.
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#32 Telex Ferra

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 09:36 PM

Then they should charge per DLC.

WE haven't seen this yet, but they ARE going to start charing for DLC offered on the Cerberus Network. The Kusami DLC that's coming out on April 6th will be the first of many non-free DLCs.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 11:12 PM

But again, that is extra content that they have put money and labour into producing. They have already offered a substantial quantity of free extra content to players who bought the game new. So why shouldn't they get paid for new content that they spend time and money making?
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 12:54 AM

It's been my experience that once you have a job and make money, you're not as concerned about stuff like this.

#35 Alex H

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:01 PM

I have no job, I make no money. I don't care :)

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#36 Telex Ferra

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 03:25 PM

Actually, I just heard that the paid DLC will be offered separate from the Cerberus network.

I'm looking forward to two DLC packs within the next two weeks.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 02:27 PM

Anyone looked at the first 'new appearance' pack yet? Personally, I'm not fond of what they're offering within it. I might have downloaded it if it had been a part of the Cerberus Network, but as is, I think it's a waste of MS Points.

Actually, I just heard that the paid DLC will be offered separate from the Cerberus network.

I'm looking forward to two DLC packs within the next two weeks.


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#38 Telex Ferra

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 07:44 PM

I only got the appearence pack because I couldn't stand seeing Garrus with that ruined armor.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 12:46 PM

I've been considering playing through again as a renegade and taking the respective choice given for it during that sequence of events. I'm wondering if having done it before anyway, would've prevented that happening to him.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 01:32 PM

I haven't had the chance to play Mass Effect 2 yet :(
But I loved the first one, and I will get it soon.




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