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#1 Jonathan Kent

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 01:12 AM

Agreed on the painting, and ahem, as for your observations on the sovvy, I mean no offence but theyre WAY off.
Sovvy is less scientifically oriented than Galaxy, but its also better balanced. Galaxys weapons to sensor ratio is the same as an oberth. its only advantage is that its size means that ratio bumps the weps up to a semi-respectable level.
In fact the official starship spotter book written by the designers says and quote ''the sovreign is perhaps the most well built most well balanced elegant blend of science and weaponry since the constitution refit."
Sovvy Rocks.
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#2 Smyth Wesson

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 06:30 AM

Starship Spotter isn't the most reliable reference book.

Besides, the more credible TNG Tech Manual states that the larger phaser arrays a ship has, the more firepower it has. Thus, the Galaxy actually has more phaser punch than a Sovereign. While the Sov is filled up the wazoo with torpedoes. Starfleet wouldn't have the Galaxy as its FRONTLINE ship if it had the same firepower-science ratio as the Obereth.

And the Galaxy has more shield generators than the Sovereign, having more space. The Dominion War has proven that the Galaxy isn't just respectable. It's a powerhouse. Most of the time they were seen onscreen, they were kicking loads of butt.
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#3 Bradley Miller

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 09:01 AM

I highly doubt that every CO of a Galaxy Class starship has the same painting that Picard has in his Quarters. I don't think Starfleet has standard issue paintings :P


More a Detail than a Gimmick ;). This one makes my happy if I playing the Map :)

#4 Alex L.

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 11:07 AM

''the sovreign is perhaps the most well built most well balanced elegant blend of science and weaponry since the constitution refit."



Of course they're gonna say that. Have you ever spotted a carsalesmen that convinced you that the NEW model was actually WORSE than the old one?

I can tell you with fair certaincy that the designers of the Enterprise-E concentrated purely on the looks. The Sovereign class looks to be more agile, sleek and rough (thus powerful) than the smooth galaxy. It appeals more to younger people who think the Sovereign is much cooler than a galaxy. This is beneficial to the box office performance of the movie.

Despite any 24th century 'canon' arguments, one must always remember the reality of 21th century life as we know it. The ships are designed by the Art department of Paramount and not by Dr. Sweitz engineering team at Utopia Planetia.

#5 Telex Ferra

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 02:10 PM

WHAT!?!?!

But Fraggles said that-

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#6 Cris Carter

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 03:08 PM

lol its similar to the Santa-Issue :P

#7 Jonathan Kent

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Posted 22 March 2008 - 11:51 PM

Then why is it that every game ever made also makes the sovreign superior?
Its just a fact of trek cannon. Besides, the phasers are a new version, less size but more efficiency, less energy is 'wasted' and thus more hits the target. the structure of the beam is also different increasing damage efficiencly, and heck yes it looks cooler.
Oh and its true, the fast fire quantums go a long way towards its overall power.

Dont get me wrong, in a fight a galaxy and sovreign would beat eachother up reeeeeeaaaallly badly before the Galaxy lost, but the Galaxy would loose.
Sovreign has more of an edge, is smaller and therefore more paractical, is more advanced, and is marginally less expensive.

Face it, Galaxy is venerable, but also old. :P
I like it, heck love it, but I just love sovreign more.
And Premonition and Wells Class EVEN more. but thats another issue.

Parting comment; Its beter to kick ass and look cool doing it, than to kick ass and be venerable and serviceable doing it. :D
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#8 Lannister

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 12:11 AM

Star Trek games are not part of Star Trek canon, they are part of what you could call "the expanded universe" - to steal a term from the Star Wars community.

If your going to judge your opinion of the ships based on what a games developer thought, you may as well say that the Intrepid and Defiant Class vessels wouldn't do very well in any fight - considering game devs have the tendency to turn them into light cruisers.

Just to be picky, the Galaxy out sizes the Sovereign - if it were in the loosing position it could quite easily ram the Sovereign and take it down. (Don't tell me the Sovereign can survive collisions - since it did in Nemesis. That film was a giant middle finger at TNG all together.)

On a side note, the "Wells Class" is the name given to the Relativity by the Bridge Commander community.

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 12:15 AM

Aaaaaanyhoo (I loved Nemesis) that's a seperate issue, and I invite you to go to another topic and debate it.

I haven't been able to work on the map the last couple of days partially because of a funeral and partially because my computer is a stupid butt-head >__> I've had some thoughts about certain things I kind of want to go back and redesign, so I'll keep you updated on that.

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 01:20 AM

(I loved Nemesis)

What the hell kind of drugs were you on when you watched it?
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#11 Borgking

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 01:36 AM

I don't appreciate that, someone very close to me died of a drug overdose a few years ago.

As for Nemesis, people need to get those sticks out of their butts and appreciate it for the good movie it is. In the grand scheme of life, it doesn't matter whether or not every tiny detail agreed with the rest of Star Trek, because Star Trek doesn't agree with the rest of Star Trek on every tiny little detail, and people need to get over it. I thought it was a well-written, touching farewell to the TNG cast, and symbolized what attitudes like that have done to Star Trek. Those attitudes have blown them to tiny pieces, like the Scimitar. It was the same with Enterprise. It was an excellent series, and people ran it into the ground because it didn't entirely agree with the canon of Star Trek. Well...who cares? We can just say it's an alternate universe from the one we saw in the other shows, if you need a good explanation.

#12 Lannister

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 02:02 AM

In the grand scheme of life, it doesn't matter whether or not every tiny detail agreed with the rest of Star Trek, because Star Trek doesn't agree with the rest of Star Trek on every tiny little detail, and people need to get over it.


The Remans as a race isn't what I'd call a little detail, but as you said, it is a different topic so I wont continue with it here.

#13 Telex Ferra

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 02:08 AM

Screw canon

#14 Borgking

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 02:57 AM

Oook, so the chances that the Remans wouldn't have been mentioned before then isn't the best. But it's possible, isn't it? It's not like the Federation made routine trips to Romulus, and if they weren't expecting to find a species on Remus they probably wouldn't have scanned it. And even if they did, it's possible they could've mistaken the lifesigns for Romulans, and figured it was a mining operation. Which it was.

Again, life's too short. It's a freakin good movie, get over the canon problems and enjoy it for what it is. Zombies don't actually exist, but people find it within themselves to enjoy zombie movies anyway.

#15 Telex Ferra

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 03:29 AM

Since if you look hard enough, Star Trek isn't trek canon, why do we even bother?

#16 Lannister

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 04:13 AM

It's a freakin good movie, get over the canon problems and enjoy it for what it is. Zombies don't actually exist, but people find it within themselves to enjoy zombie movies anyway.


While some may find it a good movie, Nemesis wasn't my cup of tea. The canon issues however do not effect my opinion on that. For example I highly enjoyed Enterprise and own all four Seasons on DVD, despite it's conflict with other things.

#17 Alex L.

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 11:50 AM

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Shall we get back on topic now?

#18 Lee

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 12:34 PM

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Shall we get back on topic now?

look mom i'm a starship!
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#19 Chris Wilkinson

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 12:38 PM

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Shall we get back on topic now?[/quote]

[quote name='fraggles']look mom i'm a starship![/quote]

No offence intended but that picture is disgusting. Its offensive to people with learning disabilitys out there. In no way is it funny and if you knew people who had disabilitys like the one possibly shown here you wouldnt make jokes or anything
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#20 LynxMukka

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 12:57 PM

Indeed, a simple "lets get back on topic" would suffice.

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